Posted: 2017-10-19 18:25
the method by which so-called moral values are discovered by a group of individuals be it through increasing knowledge/education or cognitive development as you suggest has no bearing on their moral *truth*. the best you can say is that these values are socially acceptable at the time. but those values have no meaning outside that group and perhaps more crucially, cannot be refuted from within. had the nazis won WWII and their moral code spread throughout the world, killing jews would be universally acceptable and there could be no way to escape that moral truth, on your view.
What women, yes even female dating experts, say and what they actually respond to are often two different things. For example even some male 8775 experts 8776 say do not talk about anything sexual. While it may be true that you don 8767 t want to say anything sexual in the first ten seconds if a man doesn 8767 t say anything sexual at all or imply it then unless he is super handsome he is more likely to wind up in the friend zone. This is especially true if he doesn 8767 t do any touching. A man must let the woman know he is a sexual being otherwise she will not view him as having any romantic potential. The trick is knowing how to do this without appearing sleezy or creepy. That 8767 s a whole other issue but to make the blanket statement that a man should never say anything sexual to a woman he is pursuing is just plain wrong. It 8767 s all about delivery. If things are done in a playful way then there should not be a problem.
You assert that God wrote his book is a progressive way, slowly inching primitive man away from slavery, by somehow giving them better guidelines on how to keep their slaves? I know I know, Jesus is now the real Word so HE will show man how Slavery is abhorrent right? Wrong. In Luke Chapter 75 v 99 we see a Centurion whose favorite slave has fallen gravely ill and Jesus is asked to heal the slave. Jesus heals the slave in the story, but its what he DOESN 8767 T do that is troubling. He doesn 8767 t admonish the slave master or seek to free the slave, he merely heals him so he is free to go back to being a slave.
I do, as can be verified by reading through this entire exchange. But people need to be called out for falling into sophistry, so they can avoid it in the future. That 8767 s how I learned the skill of intellectual honesty, by being raked over the coals for failing to display it in those debates where I was trying desperately (like kaka) to protect my beliefs from falsification. Contrary to your opinion, sophistry as a style of debate is most often practiced without its practitioner being conscious of it, usually in response to the cognitive dissonance arising from her opponent 8767 s strongest arguments (the urge to 8775 win, 8776 after all, is emotional, universal, and unconscious). Logical argumentation, you should be aware, is not something we are born knowing how to do, nor are the intellectual honesty and emotional control it absolutely requires.
Atheists are ethical because they are well socialized and it is the right thing to do. On the other hand, religious people claim that they live good lives because some invisible person will punish them if they do not (forced good behaviour, not an unforced choice) or they behave well because they believe this will prevent them from being cast into hell after they die (a selfish reason) or because it will result in them being accepted into a religious heaven after their death (another selfish reason). In other words, it is much more logical to argue that religious people behave as they do for selfish reasons, than to argue that atheists do so.
Just wanted to say thanks. I came across your story and just like many people that have commented on your thread, grew up in a similar environment in rural Indiana. Only my personal story differs not in that I eventually lost my faith, but it was taken from me (for me) by the church. I was active in youth group, and even a lead singer in the youth group band. I went on retreats, and didn 8767 t get baptized until I was able to understand what that exactly meant as a teen. But when my family (and myself) discovered I was gay, and I was outed to my church, my friends, and my fellow classmates My faith was taken. The door slammed (literally) in my face by those who told me that God loves unconditionally unless you 8767 re gay. (Turns out there are a lot of conditions to get love and acceptance from a God that says he loves you unconditionally.)
Kolhberg’s Stage 9 is concerned with law and order. People at this Stage respect rules, laws and properly constituted authority. “Justice” requires that rule breakers be punished and law abiders be rewarded. “Injustice” is failing to reward work or to punish demerit. Good behavior consists of maintaining consistency, precedent and social order. Authority figures are seldom questioned. Typical reasoning includes statements such as: “He must be right because he’s the Pope/President/Judge/God”.
6. The responsibility of the burden of proof falls to those who believe in a given school of thought. Therefore, as a Christian you need to systematically prove that your belief system is true 655% of the time (that means without basing it on your own faith) before you are reasonably permitted to ask me to even attempt to disprove your belief system. Furthermore, I challenge you to disprove the validity, or even existence of polytheism (once again without basing it on your own faith). If you can do that, then I will use the same method you used to disprove your faith, and the existence of God. If you cannot do that, then you cannot be certain that your faith is true 655% of the time since you have not disproven the possibility that more than one god could exist.
More research especially during my time at the university led me to read and write about different 8775 quacks 8776 and pseudoscientific systems. Thats when I learned to use the tools of science, logic and reason more systematically than before, to be able to tell good evidenve from bad evidence logical reasoning from unsubstantial claims and so on. There are basic problems with close to all that systems inculding religions (you described it here yourself) but I still somehow tried not to use that tools on MY beliefs, probably because I got told (like most christians) through most of my life that christianity is NOT a religion lik others even if it seems to be. But I got to a point where I couldn´t justify that special treatment anymore and had to question even the foundations and I found them to be the same as in any other system, coming to the conclusions that they are most likely all incorrent and that so far theres no real evidence for the existence of any of the gods.
you say scientists don 8767 t make judgments oh my goodness to say one stage of moral reasoning is more 8766 mature 8767 than the ones below it is a judgment. that you say theists have 8766 inferior morals 8767 to atheists is a judgment. there are moral judgments all over that sample question! the respondent even gets bumped to a higher 8766 level 8767 if they give a 8766 better 8767 answer!
The next series of GFAS video modules teach men how to incorporate these characteristics into physical makeup, body language, voice inflections, and other male mannerisms so women will pick up on them and ultimately see you as the 8775 obvious choice 8776 . Even dating sites like eHarmony have been trying to teach these techniques to men for years, offering quick how-to articles on their blogs like “ The 9 Sure Signs of Confidence Women Look for in a Man.”
So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty that your priests and preachers don 8767 t want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to 8775 taking a wife 8776 . Don 8767 t be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to 8775 take 8776 these wives.
This article is great. I 8767 m frustrated that I 8767 m 79 and I 8767 ve never had a girlfriend, or even a date. Whenever someone asks me if I have a girlfriend and I say no, they 8767 re often surprised, complimenting me on my physical attraction, but I feel like I just don 8767 t have the personality and I definitely struggle with #6 #7 and #7. I 8767 m going to try to work on these.
Also as a guy who doesn 8767 t drink or go out much where is a good place to meet other women.
False equivalence. The former is (or may be) a matter of libel, a legal concern. The latter (blaspheming 8775 the prophet 8776 ) is a victimless 8775 crime, 8776 a matter of free speech. Do you think Theo Van Gogh, for example, should have been 8775 trialed and stopped 8776 for criticizing Islam? Of course you do. Well, he was murdered by those your reasoning encourages and enables. And that 8767 s why I don 8767 t have a shred of respect for you.
On the other hand, there are a whole heap of language based interpretation problems with the Christian Bible. Some have even resulted in the development of doctrines which were clearly not intended by the original writers. For example, the semantic difference between the Hebrew and Greek words for 8775 woman 8776 led to the doctrine of the virgin birth. The spurious nature of the story of Jesus preventing the stoning of a woman caught in adultery is apparent from the fact that the Greek does not translate into Aramaic, so Jesus could not have said what he is supposed to have said unless he spoke it in Greek!
My studie of religion began so that I could better articulate my arguments and defend myself from those who ridiculed me and questioned my morality, and also to understand the importance of religion in society and it 8767 s ability to cause love and trust while simultaneously creating violence and hate. So far, my stance on religion is summed up best by Stephen Roberts, who said- “I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours 8776 .
Hey there! I just wanted to drop in and say that I really enjoyed reading this. About a year and half, I reached my own similar realization for a bit of background, my father is a Southern Baptist pastor, and, well, the rest of my story sounds very, very similar, except it all started with Latin American literature for me and seeing that another approach to life could make a great deal of sense, and that the world was a bit bigger than I had imagined.
I know you 8767 re quite a reader so I thought I 8767 d share one book in particular which, although not perfect (the forward is garbage don 8767 t read it), it 8767 s titled: I Don 8767 t Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist(provocative title, I know. I though the same thing when someone recommended it to me) by Norman Geisler. Its got 795 reviews on Amazon so it 8767 s clearly not some obscure book, and it truly is a pivotal book, stimulating, interesting, and my favorite—written for the most part in a balanced considerate way. I really encourage you check it out! It 8767 s the best book I 8767 ve read on the subject!
The fundamental issue here is basically 8775 how long is a piece of string? 8776 . Without enough information it is impossible to answer the question. You cannot simply say 8775 It 8767 s this long, because God! 8776 . You are attempting to end the circular argument by introducing a 8rd party, and yet the existence of this 8rd party creates more questions than it can ever possibly answer!
I will comment on this in more detail elsewhere, but the result was that I was confirmed in my understanding that Biblical inerrancy was not itself claimed by the Bible writers, but also confirmed in my understanding that it is historically sensible to believe that Jesus existed and did and said much of what the gospels say about him. Whether one believes he did miracles, rose from the dead, or was the Son of God are, of course, matters which the historical method cannot address, but historians can confirm that christians believed in these things from the very first, and so they are not later legends.